Black Democrats and Republicans in Georgia Debate the Issues | WSJ
As competition to win over African-American voters heats up in the 2020 election, WSJ’s Joshua Jamerson sat down with eight black voters in rural Georgia to …
this was great, so good to see a discussion without someone being labeled a racist
7:24 I want to bang my head into a wall. He was so close yet still so far. That system strategically put us as a disadvantage. Of course it doesn't only target black people it disproportionately targets black people and poor people and POC There's data on this, people!
Trump 2020💯💪🏾
Trump passed criminal justice reform lol no one said hey trump already did that and pardoned many black ppl who was wrongly convicted thank u
Mad misstated if any of you vote for any of the Democratics. their not for the American citizens. Think above guy's.
Drugs are drugs no it’s not that lady is delusional
All of you Donald dump voters need to read this article. You need to read in general but start here.
Everything the first woman on the left said she would like to see changed, Trump has already addressed and in some cases has changed.
Isn’t it interesting that black republicans and conservatives have been a lot more progressive
That old light skinned woman loves White people more than her own people
Funny how people dont even no Trump and they hate him! OH! if the older people didn't voted and only the young people voted…..We would all be dead! President Trump 2020!
The lady in the red shirt is on to a lot!
Any black person that doesn't vote Trump obviously doesn't want a job because you know the left will destroy jobs They always do A track record is not wrong
If we are really serious about education we will teach our principles of existence and we don't know anything about them. We have some real thinking to do. that no intellectual is leading us to. There is a reason for this willful ignorance.
Lady in the blue shirt thinks Marijuana is a arrest-able drug offense crime…Wow the division is nuts!
Why did they ask the one lady that looked like Stacy Abrams the most questions?
Girl Democrats don't care and Republicans don't give AF. And they shouldn't. You should be more concerned about the Government in the Afterlife and getting along with Anubis.
God help U.S: THE WORLD HAS LOVED, HATED AND ENVIED THE U.S. NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE PITY IT
Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger. But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.
However bad things are for most other rich democracies, it is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. Yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist who, instead of protecting his people from Covid-19, has amplified its lethality. The country Trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful.
Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the corona-virus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicenter of the pandemic.
As the American writer George Packer puts it in the current edition of the Atlantic, “The United States reacted … like Pakistan or Belarus – like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.”
It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a natural disaster, quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time – willfully, malevolently, vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail (as, in one degree or another, most governments did), quite another to watch a ruler and his supporters actively spread a deadly virus. Trump, his party and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News became vectors of the pestilence.
The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV.
If the plague is a test, its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives. In the process, the idea of the US as the world’s leading nation – an idea that has shaped the past century – has all but evaporated.
Other than the Trump impersonator Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do? How many people in Düsseldorf or Dublin are wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas?
It is hard to remember now but, even in 2017, when Trump took office, the conventional wisdom in the US was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion, but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage ways.
Abject surrender
What used to be called mainstream conservatism has not absorbed Trump – he has absorbed it. Almost the entire right-wing half of American politics has surrendered abjectly to him. It has sacrificed on the altar of wanton stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility, care and even safety.
Thus, even at the very end of March, 15 Republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or to close non-essential businesses. In Alabama, for example, it was not until April 3rd that governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay-at-home order.
In Florida, the state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions, governor Ron DeSantis, a Trump mini-me, kept the beach resorts open to students travelling from all over the US for spring break parties. Even on April 1st, when he issued restrictions, DeSantis exempted religious services and “recreational activities”.
Georgia governor Brian Kemp, when he finally issued a stay-at-home order on April 1st, explained: “We didn’t know that [the virus can be spread by people without symptoms] until the last 24 hours.”
This is not mere ignorance – it is deliberate and homicidal stupidity. There is, as the demonstrations this week in US cities have shown, plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It is fueled by Fox News and far-right internet sites, and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations, mostly (in an ugly irony) from older people who are most vulnerable to the coronavirus.
It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories, hatred of science, paranoia about the “deep state” and religious providential-ism (God will protect the good folks) that is now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right.
Trump embodies and enacts this mindset, but he did not invent it. The US response to the corona-virus crisis has been paralyzed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of US democracy. On the one hand, they want to control all the levers of governmental power. On the other they have created a popular base by playing on the notion that government is innately evil and must not be trusted.
The contradiction was made manifest in two of Trump’s statements on the pandemic: on the one hand that he has “total authority”, and on the other that “I don’t take responsibility at all”. Caught between authoritarian and anarchic impulses, he is incapable of coherence.
Fertile ground
But this is not just Donald Trump. The crisis has shown definitively that Trump’s presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it.
There are very powerful interests who demand “freedom” in order to do as they like with the environment, society and the economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that “freedom” is literally more important than life. My freedom to own assault weapons trumps your right not to get shot at school. Now, my freedom to go to the barber (“I Need a Haircut” read one banner this week in St Paul, Minnesota) trumps your need to avoid infection.
Usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself, there is the comforting thought that, if things were really serious, it would all stop. People would sober up. Instead, a large part of the US has hit the bottle even harder.
And the president, his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There has been no moment of truth, no shock of realization that the antics have to end. No one of any substance on the US right has stepped in to say: get a grip, people are dying here.
That is the mark of how deep the trouble is for the US – it is not just that Trump has treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behavior has become normalized. When the freak show is live on TV every evening, and the star is boasting about his ratings, it is not really a freak show any more. For a very large and solid bloc of Americans, it is reality.
And this will get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months in power. In his inaugural address in 2017, he evoked “American carnage” and promised to make it stop. But now that the real carnage has arrived, he is reveling in it. He is in his element.
As things get worse, he will pump more hatred and falsehood, more death-wish defiance of reason and decency, into the groundwater. If a new administration succeeds him in 2021, it will have to clean up the toxic dump he leaves behind. If he is re-elected, toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics.
Either way, it will be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again.
It is nice to see a conversation between respectful adults, I am interested in people’s opinions and how things effect their life. We need more of these types of forums.
Obama was a embrassment to America, never again.
Only a couple cringy comments, otherwise I think it was a great conversation. Everyone should be doing this with their neighbors. Might find we have a lot more in common than CNN let's on. Big government would really have their hands full if 335 million people all came together for one reason.
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This project is the result of two years of blood, sweat, and tears by a team of woke professionals. It’s been independently produced and funded and is available on many different platforms for free for anyone to watch.
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1:59 " I wanted a gangsta in the White House ".. bruh
The problem I have with democrats is they have done nothing for Black people and most of us still got our hand out like they are really going to do something. President Trump mentioned he would like to do something for Black people not, saying “People of Color” . The term “People of Color” excludes Black people from the political table and the Black Caucus only met with President Trump once. As a result, Congressional Black Caucus is not representing us at all, they is just making a show pretending too.
We are a republic not a democratic. Big difference
Good Conversation!
If I predicted an airborne virus over 5 years ago AND I funded the wuhaun lab in 2015 with millions in grant money would you think it was coincidence? No you wouldn't. Watch this prophecy of Obama over 5 years ago
HRC has had a lifetime of crooked politics. This guy is a college student and will be running this great country one day, God help us all!!
The guy on the right was the thinker as well as patriotic. He chose Trump because it was good for the country. Hillary took payoffs from poor countries trying to get their need heard by the US government. Hillary is a crook, Biden, is a crook, and bragged about it on TV. Trump is called a crook but there’s no proof after investigation on investigation, and makes us and other countries pay their fair share
See this dude says we are a Democratic nation and he supports Sanders then talks conservative. Our people are very confused and uneducated
I am done with anything democrat Trump 2020
Here in South Africa, during the voting day, we all go to vote, no work, no school for the whole day. But there will be people who would still go to work or do other things on that day, especially those who do not want to vote.
The amazing thing to me is that the republican party is the party of ending slavery, Jim Crow and the party of anti segregation. The democratic party supported all that especially in the south. That said blacks vote Democrat in 'lock step" and it makes no sense. Trump did remarkable things for the black community especially jobs. Unemplyment lowest since 1960 for minorities. This is especially evident in major cities what the democratic party did to inner city with large populations of minority people. There should be a large wake up in this country. I am hoping leaders like Candice Owens and Tim Scott, from my state of SC and others will wake the minority communities to the core issues in this country.
Black conservatives and black democrats 😂😂😂 what’s next next brown Democrats vs brown conservatives 🤣🤣🤣 gtfouh
when you arrive ask god should i not have voted for the devil 😈
not one of them knows enough about anyone to take part in the election of any of those political agendas.
this was great, so good to see a discussion without someone being labeled a racist
7:24 I want to bang my head into a wall. He was so close yet still so far. That system strategically put us as a disadvantage. Of course it doesn't only target black people it disproportionately targets black people and poor people and POC
There's data on this, people!
Trump 2020💯💪🏾
Trump passed criminal justice reform lol no one said hey trump already did that and pardoned many black ppl who was wrongly convicted thank u
Mad misstated if any of you vote for any of the Democratics. their not for the American citizens. Think above guy's.
Drugs are drugs no it’s not that lady is delusional
All of you Donald dump voters need to read this article. You need to read in general but start here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/11/education-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/
No bus line in the country
Everything the first woman on the left said she would like to see changed, Trump has already addressed and in some cases has changed.
Isn’t it interesting that black republicans and conservatives have been a lot more progressive
That old light skinned woman loves White people more than her own people
Funny how people dont even no Trump and they hate him! OH! if the older people didn't voted and only the young people voted…..We would all be dead! President Trump 2020!
The lady in the red shirt is on to a lot!
Any black person that doesn't vote Trump obviously doesn't want a job because you know the left will destroy jobs
They always do
A track record is not wrong
If we are really serious about education we will teach our principles of existence and we don't know anything about them. We have some real thinking to do. that no intellectual is leading us to. There is a reason for this willful ignorance.
Lady in the blue shirt thinks Marijuana is a arrest-able drug offense crime…Wow the division is nuts!
Why did they ask the one lady that looked like Stacy Abrams the most questions?
Girl Democrats don't care and Republicans don't give AF. And they shouldn't. You should be more concerned about the Government in the Afterlife and getting along with Anubis.
God help U.S: THE WORLD HAS LOVED, HATED AND ENVIED THE U.S. NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE PITY IT
Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger. But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.
However bad things are for most other rich democracies, it is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. Yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist who, instead of protecting his people from Covid-19, has amplified its lethality. The country Trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful.
Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the corona-virus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicenter of the pandemic.
As the American writer George Packer puts it in the current edition of the Atlantic, “The United States reacted … like Pakistan or Belarus – like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.”
It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a natural disaster, quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time – willfully, malevolently, vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail (as, in one degree or another, most governments did), quite another to watch a ruler and his supporters actively spread a deadly virus. Trump, his party and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News became vectors of the pestilence.
The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV.
If the plague is a test, its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives. In the process, the idea of the US as the world’s leading nation – an idea that has shaped the past century – has all but evaporated.
Other than the Trump impersonator Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do? How many people in Düsseldorf or Dublin are wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas?
It is hard to remember now but, even in 2017, when Trump took office, the conventional wisdom in the US was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion, but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage ways.
Abject surrender
What used to be called mainstream conservatism has not absorbed Trump – he has absorbed it. Almost the entire right-wing half of American politics has surrendered abjectly to him. It has sacrificed on the altar of wanton stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility, care and even safety.
Thus, even at the very end of March, 15 Republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or to close non-essential businesses. In Alabama, for example, it was not until April 3rd that governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay-at-home order.
In Florida, the state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions, governor Ron DeSantis, a Trump mini-me, kept the beach resorts open to students travelling from all over the US for spring break parties. Even on April 1st, when he issued restrictions, DeSantis exempted religious services and “recreational activities”.
Georgia governor Brian Kemp, when he finally issued a stay-at-home order on April 1st, explained: “We didn’t know that [the virus can be spread by people without symptoms] until the last 24 hours.”
This is not mere ignorance – it is deliberate and homicidal stupidity. There is, as the demonstrations this week in US cities have shown, plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It is fueled by Fox News and far-right internet sites, and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations, mostly (in an ugly irony) from older people who are most vulnerable to the coronavirus.
It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories, hatred of science, paranoia about the “deep state” and religious providential-ism (God will protect the good folks) that is now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right.
Trump embodies and enacts this mindset, but he did not invent it. The US response to the corona-virus crisis has been paralyzed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of US democracy. On the one hand, they want to control all the levers of governmental power. On the other they have created a popular base by playing on the notion that government is innately evil and must not be trusted.
The contradiction was made manifest in two of Trump’s statements on the pandemic: on the one hand that he has “total authority”, and on the other that “I don’t take responsibility at all”. Caught between authoritarian and anarchic impulses, he is incapable of coherence.
Fertile ground
But this is not just Donald Trump. The crisis has shown definitively that Trump’s presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it.
There are very powerful interests who demand “freedom” in order to do as they like with the environment, society and the economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that “freedom” is literally more important than life. My freedom to own assault weapons trumps your right not to get shot at school. Now, my freedom to go to the barber (“I Need a Haircut” read one banner this week in St Paul, Minnesota) trumps your need to avoid infection.
Usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself, there is the comforting thought that, if things were really serious, it would all stop. People would sober up. Instead, a large part of the US has hit the bottle even harder.
And the president, his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There has been no moment of truth, no shock of realization that the antics have to end. No one of any substance on the US right has stepped in to say: get a grip, people are dying here.
That is the mark of how deep the trouble is for the US – it is not just that Trump has treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behavior has become normalized. When the freak show is live on TV every evening, and the star is boasting about his ratings, it is not really a freak show any more. For a very large and solid bloc of Americans, it is reality.
And this will get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months in power. In his inaugural address in 2017, he evoked “American carnage” and promised to make it stop. But now that the real carnage has arrived, he is reveling in it. He is in his element.
As things get worse, he will pump more hatred and falsehood, more death-wish defiance of reason and decency, into the groundwater. If a new administration succeeds him in 2021, it will have to clean up the toxic dump he leaves behind. If he is re-elected, toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics.
Either way, it will be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again.
It is nice to see a conversation between respectful adults, I am interested in people’s opinions and how things effect their life. We need more of these types of forums.
Obama was a embrassment to America, never again.
Only a couple cringy comments, otherwise I think it was a great conversation. Everyone should be doing this with their neighbors. Might find we have a lot more in common than CNN let's on. Big government would really have their hands full if 335 million people all came together for one reason.
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The Out Of The Shadows documentary lifts the mask on how the mainstream media & Hollywood manipulate & control the masses by spreading propaganda throughout their content. Our goal is to wake up the general public by shedding light on how we all have been lied to & brainwashed by a hidden enemy with a sinister agenda.
This project is the result of two years of blood, sweat, and tears by a team of woke professionals. It’s been independently produced and funded and is available on many different platforms for free for anyone to watch.
Patriots made this documentary with the sole purpose of getting the truth out there. If you like the documentary, please share this video.
You can support our team and future projects making a donation at outofshadows.org
1:59 " I wanted a gangsta in the White House ".. bruh
The problem I have with democrats is they have done nothing for Black people and most of us still got our hand out like they are really going to do something. President Trump mentioned he would like to do something for Black people not, saying “People of Color” . The term “People of Color” excludes Black people from the political table and the Black Caucus only met with President Trump once. As a result, Congressional Black Caucus is not representing us at all, they is just making a show pretending too.
We are a republic not a democratic. Big difference
Good Conversation!
If I predicted an airborne virus over 5 years ago AND I funded the wuhaun lab in 2015 with millions in grant money would you think it was coincidence? No you wouldn't.
Watch this prophecy of Obama over 5 years ago
https://youtu.be/hJPJW7_Z6RU
HRC has had a lifetime of crooked politics. This guy is a college student and will be running this great country one day, God help us all!!
The guy on the right was the thinker as well as patriotic. He chose Trump because it was good for the country. Hillary took payoffs from poor countries trying to get their need heard by the US government. Hillary is a crook, Biden, is a crook, and bragged about it on TV. Trump is called a crook but there’s no proof after investigation on investigation, and makes us and other countries pay their fair share
See this dude says we are a Democratic nation and he supports Sanders then talks conservative. Our people are very confused and uneducated
I am done with anything democrat Trump 2020
Here in South Africa, during the voting day, we all go to vote, no work, no school for the whole day. But there will be people who would still go to work or do other things on that day, especially those who do not want to vote.
The amazing thing to me is that the republican party is the party of ending slavery, Jim Crow and the party of anti segregation. The democratic party supported all that especially in the south. That said blacks vote Democrat in 'lock step" and it makes no sense.
Trump did remarkable things for the black community especially jobs. Unemplyment lowest since 1960 for minorities.
This is especially evident in major cities what the democratic party did to inner city with large populations of minority people.
There should be a large wake up in this country.
I am hoping leaders like Candice Owens and Tim Scott, from my state of SC and others will wake the minority communities to the core issues in this country.
Black conservatives and black democrats 😂😂😂 what’s next next brown Democrats vs brown conservatives 🤣🤣🤣 gtfouh
when you arrive ask god should i not have voted for the devil 😈
not one of them knows enough about anyone to take part in the election of any of those political agendas.